2009 / 2010 RULES

TQ Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 312

That is true if people just ran the stuff they are supposed to run then it wouldn't be an issue. We just also need to do the odd tech on motors in guys cars just so if they are winning that people don't start talking that he is winning because he is not playing fair. Run what you are supposed to run and its not an issue. Wink

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Laped Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 83

I am glad you agree with me Kevin!. Lets TECH those cars winning all the time. God knows I have not seen a win yet. If I won and there was questions, I have no problem going thru Tech Inspection!.

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Laped Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 83

OK BIG D!.

I see your point too!. My point is this if I spend lots of money on my car in good parts I am not breaking rules by throwing a CHEATER! motor in. What you are saying is that is ok!. It is not ok because you are using NONE LEGAL EQUIPMENT. Yes that person may have good stuff in the car but its LEGAL!. Now on the other hand if you had good stuff in your car and put a CHEATER in then thats a whole other thing yet.

I have seen guys run stuff straight out of a box when I use to race years ago. Did not even change the plastic bearing from the kit(for the wheels and gears). Because he had car control no one could catch him in alot of the racing events. When I raced back in the mid 80's I never ran better bearings and things, it was the kit and what it came with!. I replaced parts with what came in the kit like the plastic bearings. They did not have all the classes we have now you were grouped with a bunch of guys all differnt types of Dune bugs!(4 WHEEL DRIVES AND 2 WHEEL DRIVES).

Back then I finished in my teenage yrs , Third out of the group at the end of the years standings and got a trophy for it. It came down too I practised and practised and practised. I did not have the equipment but I could drive. WITH PLASTIC BEARINGS EVEN!.

SO I DON'T BUY THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE BEST EQUIPMENT THEN ITS OK!. I did not have good cars back then and won alot. I suck at driving right now because its many years later but I will tell you if I beat the other cars out there I want it to be fair. All car rather equal. NO RULE BREAKING AND CHEATING, COME ON GUYS PLEASE!. Lets have some fun out there!. You won't win every race there has to be a loser each time.

Thats racing.

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TQ Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 312

It doesn't take the most expensive bearing to stay even with everyone. I have the normal out of the box bearings and replace them with the same type when those wear out in the car. My motors are no different than anyone else can buy off the rack. Bearings don't make that much of a difference since good driving will more than make up for possible gain from running expensive bearings.
It makes me remember racing my 12th scale against guys that were running 19 turns and I was running a stock motor. I still beat them all because I ran the most consistent out of all of the racers. They had a better fast lap but had more screw ups and it came down to better driving. Bob Stormer has a great thread on RC Tech about consistency beating the odd fast lap.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-road/199909-hows-your-driving-stormer-error-correction-thread.html
Please read this post it is a bit long but make a lot of sense about driving.

Car setups make a big difference in why some cars are faster down the straight than others. Things like rear toe make huge differences in the cars straight away speed if you run more rear toe you get better rear grip when turning corners but it starts to scrub huge speed down the straight.
If you don't have a good setup to go around a corner fast that will also kill your straight away speed since a good setup will allow you exit the corner faster and when you are exiting the corner faster than a car that is slower around the corner you are going faster at the same point as the other car all the way down the straight as the other car is trying to make up for the lost speed in the corner the whole way down the straight. Don't be afraid to ask other drivers that might be faster what they are running compare setups and maybe that can explain some of the lap time differences. Phew Larry like posting here!
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Trued Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 26

One bad thing that I see happen a few times, and now can even be seen with lap time info. Is when someone crashes or hoops a road rail, and rather than be marshalled back to where they left the track, they just resume back in line where they think they would be if they didn't screw up. I have had this happen to me a couple of times, where the guy pulls in behind you, and then either starts to pressure you again, or takes you out in the next corner. I'm not talking about a foot here or there or clipping a corner, but as much as half track incidents. If they had been marshalled where they should have been, they wouldn't have been there in the first place to screw up my race.

My question is, where is the penalty for making a driving mistake, when you use this logic. There isn't any, and that really sucks for the racer that hasn't made a mistake. I know its all in fun, but if you really checked the rules, it states that, rather than waiting and slotting yourself back in where you think you may have been, your suppose to re-enter where you came off in a safe manner and then resume your race.

Watch guys like Adam or Kevin, if they happen to make a mistake, they tend to re-enter where they come off and then resume the racing. Its just respect to the other racers.

Fastest Lap Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 186

lmao @ they wouldn't have been there in the first place to screw up my race
i agree to this as a pain in the ass with no #@$%in respect whatsoever from some racers, but i think for most its a problem with being way too excited (think puppy pissing on floor when you come home)
ive seen problems with people not letting the faster guys through, trying to hold them off when they should be getting the hell outta the way, or trying to crash the guy because they passed them
what about a points system so first qualifiers are sorted by which main you were in last race(s)? this could bring up the fast guys laptimes in qualifying and keep the slower guys racing instead of pulling over for the fast guys (or having ego's severely bruised having to get passed by the same car 8 times a race)

well ive searched high and low and cant find any "silver can" motors with plastic tabs on the endbell that match the J-SPEC jhonson, so id say it would be safe to have these motors as a spec motor, i cant find any other motor in a 540 can that uses this type of endbell, even the 24degree timed BLACK motor uses an all metal can
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TQ Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 312

There is a simple option on our race program that will sort the heat based on ability, random order, or order in which you signed in. If people want a pre-sort based on ability for the first 2 rounds that can be done and then based on how you qualify you move to what ever heat you should be in based on your time. I just want it to be known that if we pre sort it like that we are not saying the faster guys don't want to race with the new racers. I have heard that said before and I don't want people to take it that way. A pre sort is a good idea for the newer racers if they get into heats that are closer to their speed because it is hard to race your race and pull over 5 or 6 times in a race for a guy lapping you and if you are unlucky enough to have 2 or 3 way faster guys in your heat you are getting passed all the time and that increases the chance of having an accident slowing you and the other driver up.

As for the board hopping I think I will take some of the blame for that as I have not done a good job of making sure people know what they should be doing if they happen to hop over a border. If you crash and go over a border and were right behind a guy and where you end up on the track puts you right on that same guys tail you did not pay a penalty for the crash. The correct thing to do is either cross the border in a safe slower manner as not to cause an accident with another car coming, or to sit and wait where you jumped the border for a long enough time that it would be like you had drove the car back on the track at the correct spot. We can talk about this at the next race as we have been pretty relaxed on drivers meetings. We just need a quick reminder to everyone on the do's and dont's of racing. Lets go racing!!!!!
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Fastest Lap Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 186

could get phil to machine up a 30lb steel chassis car and REGULATE those who defy
do they still sell those nice thin foam bats anywhere? from what i remember they dont leave bruises but hurt like hell
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TQ Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 312

What are we turning this into a frat house? LOL Bare bottom spankings are next on the list! Shocked

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Trued Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 29

I looked at every body's cars on sunday and it planely comes down to driving and the silver can that is called carpet eater is no faster just gets to speed faster.

A-Mainer Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Posts: 131 Location: Regina

so can we use those carpet eaters me Jermey and tex were running on the 25th in GT for next race?

Carpet Eater....hehe.............only from Jeremy........
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TQ Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 312

Well lets put it this way you should be running the silver can that Jeremy was talking about the johson motor. Everyone is a big boy and can decided if they want to run the motors that were intended to be ran in that class. LOL
I see those motors kicked but then last week. Maybe its not the motor that wins races? Wink

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Fastest Lap Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 186

RULE PROPOSAL
MINI CLASS
M-05 TO USE 18T PINION MAX

this is what you have to run in the m-04 in the tcs races
i think it would be needed for the NEW M-05 due to the fact that it has a wayyyy lower centre of gravity and revised suspension, just by looking at the new mini chassis i can guarantee a faster corner speed, keeping the top speed down will help keep the class on a even level
ya i was kinda getting worried about my beloved mini's,,, stocks were depleted everywhere.... :S ahhhhh: http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=58443 that explains it all
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Trued Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Regina, Sk

link is bad use this one http://www.tamiya.ca/58000%20series/58443_110_rc_m05_pro_chassis_kit.htm
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